i know of a few others.
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Brian Locking, ex Shadows bass player, gave up his music career to pioneer back in the mid 1960's. pioneered all his life right up until recently. Has been an elder and removed several times due to his reluctance to promise never to play in public (clubs, bars etc) which he did to pay his way while pioneering.
Rarely attends meetings now but defends to the death WTS dogma. Very sad.
i am not the oldest but have 3 years here!
restrangled.. how about you?.
Does anyone know what became of Focus, (perhaps posts on other boards) who joined 8 years ago and suddenly stopped posting about 6 years ago?
"who out there has that quote from the wt about how since the catholic church claims to be the way of salvation for millions of people that they should be ready to, essentially, debate the issue, defend their position?
if it's right for the catholic church, then it's even more right for the wtb&ts, who claims to speak directly for god!
"
i give up.
"who out there has that quote from the wt about how since the catholic church claims to be the way of salvation for millions of people that they should be ready to, essentially, debate the issue, defend their position?
if it's right for the catholic church, then it's even more right for the wtb&ts, who claims to speak directly for god!
"
I'll try again
"WesurelywerenottryingtotakecheapshotsatthepopeortheCatholicChurch,norwerewecriticizingCatholics.TheCatholicChurchoccupiesaverysignificantpositionintheworldandclaimstobethewayofsalvationforhundredsofmillionsofpeople.Anyorganizationthatassumesthatpositionshouldbewillingtosubmittoscrutinyandcriticism.Allwhocriticizehavetheobligationtobetruthfulinpresentingthefactsandfairandobjectiveinassessingsuch.Inbothrespectswetrytoliveuptothatobligation."
"who out there has that quote from the wt about how since the catholic church claims to be the way of salvation for millions of people that they should be ready to, essentially, debate the issue, defend their position?
if it's right for the catholic church, then it's even more right for the wtb&ts, who claims to speak directly for god!
"
sorry about the formatting. not sure what went wrong there.
"who out there has that quote from the wt about how since the catholic church claims to be the way of salvation for millions of people that they should be ready to, essentially, debate the issue, defend their position?
if it's right for the catholic church, then it's even more right for the wtb&ts, who claims to speak directly for god!
"
Civics
Many thanks for that. I just checked it out. Here is the full quote...
"We
surelywerenottryingtotakecheapshotsatthepopeortheCatholicChurch,norwerewecriticizingCatholics.TheCatholicChurchoccupiesaverysignificantpositionintheworldandclaimstobethewayofsalvationforhundredsofmillionsofpeople.Anyorganizationthatassumesthatpositionshouldbewillingtosubmittoscrutinyandcriticism. Allwhocriticizehavetheobligationtobetruthfulinpresentingthefactsandfairandobjectiveinassessingsuch.Inbothrespectswetrytoliveuptothatobligation."The WTS's hypocrisy is so bare faced, so monumental I keep asking myself why did it take me 60 years to see it?
As a previous poster, Focus, once stated,
I wish THE WORLD TO KNOW that the Watchtower Society and the Creed of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a CHEAT, a 100% SCAM, a WICKED TRICK, a FILTHY LIE, a BLASPHEMOUS INSULT, a SCANDAL, a FRAUD, a DISGRACE, an ABOMINATION and a DAMNED OUTRAGE from start to finish.
"who out there has that quote from the wt about how since the catholic church claims to be the way of salvation for millions of people that they should be ready to, essentially, debate the issue, defend their position?
if it's right for the catholic church, then it's even more right for the wtb&ts, who claims to speak directly for god!
"
"Who out there has that quote from the WT about how since the catholic church claims to be the way of salvation for millions of people that they should be ready to, essentially, debate the issue, defend their position? If it's right for the catholic church, then it's even more right for the WTB&TS, who claims to speak directly for GOD!"
dear friends and researchers of watchtower history,.
i have been asked to provide documented proof of jfr's alleged womanizing.
i am familiar with research done on this subject but am not yet aware of information outside the ex-jw community.
Atlantis
I too would like to have a PM of this PDF please. Thanks.
now i got your attention......(i'm gambling on those who remember these) when were you there?
what years?
and what do you remember........ they all seem like such a big part of my history.
Jookbeard
Yes, the Mitcham ground has long since been housing. As you were 3 at the time you probably don’t remember but the 69 Wembley stadium and Pool combined was I think a tortuous 8 day stint or was that an early 70’s Twickenham event? I’ve forgotten so much so the de-programming is working fine.
There were also a few D/A held at Wimbledon Football Ground in the 70’s.
You list your age as 38. Is that subterfuge as 3 in ’69 doesn’t quite add up?
now i got your attention......(i'm gambling on those who remember these) when were you there?
what years?
and what do you remember........ they all seem like such a big part of my history.
While we’re reminiscing who remembers the 2 conventions held at the REAL Crystal Palace (the football ground that is) one in the 70’s and one in the 60’s?
Then there were the circuit assemblies at the Dorking Assembly Halls opposite the later converted cinema assembly hall.
And also at Wimbledon Baths and Kingston Coronation Baths in the 60’s and later Wimbledon Town Hall.
My first assembly was Mitcham Football Ground in I think 1955 at which I spent 1 week pre assembly cleaning the stands and gullies.
My favourites were the days spent at Twickers when all areas outside the stands were covered in cinders. At the end of the day everyone’s feet were black. Pre assembly work used to start about 8 to 12 weeks before the Assembly and go on for up to 2 weeks after. Perhaps I remember it fondly because.... no, there is no reason to remember it fondly. It was a complete and utter waste of time
